Transcript of CS#99: Colleen Hammond Dressing with Dignity

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Chris Cash: Welcome to Catholic Spotlight. This is the Catholic Spotlight, the podcast that we talk about what’s new, true and exciting in the Catholic marketplace. I’m your host Chris Cash director of E-Commerce from catholiccompany.com, your source for all your Catholic needs.

And today in the Spotlight we have Colleen Hammond, author of Dressing with Dignity. Welcome with – welcome Colleen.

Colleen Hammond: Thanks Chris.

Chris Cash: And by the way, for all of you keeping account, this is show number 99. Guess what? Next week hopefully we will have show 100 for you and it will be a doosey or you know it will at least be a 100. All right, well, welcome Colleen. I’m glad to have you on the show number 99. Can you tell about yourself and what brought you to write Dressing with Dignity?

Colleen Hammond: Well, I was born – well, I’ll start right with that and all you people could do the maths. So, I was born in 1962, which was kind of a *baleful* [1:20] time in the church of history, well as the world actually. And I think growing out towards exactly like the ‘50’s for those who grew up in the ‘40’s and the ‘50’s knowing that the church was growing through at the time. So, I always considered my parents the first Roman Catholics, ‘cause there were roaming around looking for a church that was still staying true to the Catholic faith, because our local parish, the priest married the Director of Religious Education, the nun who was the DRE in the spirits of Vatican II as I said. So, they used Vatican II for lot of excuses for doing a lot of goofy things. And it was a very confusing time, so that’s the time that I grew up in. And I know many people can relate to that where you aren’t quite sure where things were headed. So, I ended up getting involved with modeling and acting, and that’s how I actually pulled myself through college. I did my undergrad work in Chemistry and physiologically, fully intended to be a pediatrician. That’s what I was studying for. And because of all my modeling acting, I got a job offer to do weather at the local station and that led to me getting a job at the weather channel. So I put my medical career ambitions on hold and pursue the career on Television.

So, a lot of my background was involved in fashion and television and marketing and entertainment industry. I had actually fallen away from the faith. When I went to college, I was not well formed and I did engaged a lot of things in college that you know thankfully I can look back on and say, I came out pretty good. But still, things that were definitely worthy of going to confession for. But I had been away from the church for a number of years and my marriage was in a situation where I chose that I did not want to pursue and continue in a marriage, because quite frankly it was holding my career back, which was extremely selfish, but that’s where I was at the time. And I found out that I was pregnant and actually went to get an abortion. And it was while I was in the abortion clinic that I actually had my conversion back to the faith, where I was sitting there just thinking I could not – I just can’t go through with this. I was studying medicine in college and I know that this is not piece of tissue; I know this is not a blob. I know this is a baby. And I became very physically ill and I decided to get out of there. And for the first time in almost a decade probably, I said a real prayer. I said please God get me out of this. And it was at that point, I got the surge which I now know it was grace that I get this surge of energy and just stepped up and walked out of the room. As I was leaving, one of the nurses told me that I was not pregnant and I knew that was a miracle. So, I went out to the car, where my Pagan husband was sitting – he is not a Pagan anymore, but I told him I said I need to go there. I need to go to confession and I need to sign a Catholic church right away, which coincidentally there was one in two blocks away.  And coincidentally there was a priest there hearing confessions and coincidentally there was nobody at in line, so I went in and did my first confession back that day. And it’s been a glorious trip ever since. It was as I say in the Bible, the wise prayers that my brought my husband to the faith as well. And now he is a very strong faithful Catholic, and he reads the family the rosary every night, make sure everyone gets the confession every once a month and in *** [04:48]. But it was due to all that background that I got involved with Saint Joseph Radio and I was working with *Lu Cortese* [04:57] there. And we were doing a program at one point and one of the callers that called in, I was talking about communication skills between husbands and wives, but all the calls seemed to be about modestly. How can I get my daughter to stop you know dressing like the hooker and how can I get her to stop dressing like Madonna and what not. And so, the very last call I made a comment and I talked to him after we went off the air, and he said you know all the calls were about modesty. Why don’t you write a book on modesty? And that’s kind of where I ended up. I talked to *Hilda van* [05:30] about it for 3 days when her and I were in a conference together. And she had pointed me in a very good direction.

So, it’s not something I really wanted to do, because I had to gut my entire closet. But it was a great experience to go shopping. And it caused me to have a lot of changes in my life as well. So, it’s pretty much where in a very, very, very small nutshell of where I was and how I came through and how I came about to write a book.

Chris Cash: Now, working at the weather channel, did you have problems with modesty there?

Colleen Hammond: You know its really interesting Chris, ‘cause we did…

Chris Cash: At least the weather channel doesn’t scream out a modest dressed, at least in my mind I guess, but.

Colleen Hammond: Yes. Well, when I was there it wasn’t – it was not owned by NBC. Although, back in the 80’s, early ‘90’s they were – and NBC was always making overture to purchase that. And then, finally, you know how many years later it came true. But I remember, I did the first long programming that they had had on the channel, it’s called the Eye of the Storm and it was about Hurricanes. And it was a one hour long program called you know Live Colleen. You know I was hosting the talk show, and I remember telling me to wear a short skirt. And at the time, I know you know well women we don’t fully understand custody of the eye. We don’t fully understand what our men go through. And if you look at it from a purely physiological point of view, which of course is my background, you know the chemistry and the medical school and what not. But if you look at what women go through on a monthly basis, we have to deal with hormones all over the place. Four major hormones that at any particular moment of any particular day are on a different combination in our blood stream. So, we are constantly dealing with this hormonal cocktail. The causes of the cry add you know AT&T commercials or we have these mood swings or we have fits of anger or fits of crying that we sometimes can’t explain ourselves. That we are dealing with the hormones reaction within our body. So, PMS is a hormonal situation that we go through.

And I think when we as women compare that to a hormonal reaction that a man goes through, although men cannot fully understand PMS and quite frankly either two way sometimes you know. We cannot fully understand what men go through with the custody of the eye. It’s a hormonal reaction that men have that they do not plan. And as you and I were discussing before this show, there – when you look at someone and in this case that the man looking at a women, he goes whoa. You know she maybe an attractive women, she maybe you know look nice and you know whatever, but as you had said it’s when a man looks at a women and starts whoa, whoa, whoa. There’s a wow factor that which is over the top. That a man has to make a choice at that point. Does he continue to look and have his mind wander or does he look away and just shoot a prayer up to *** [08:37]. So…

Chris Cash: Absolutely. The wow as I was saying before the show, the one wow that is perfectly normal, and praise the Lord for our attraction to each other, but when you sit there and dwell on it. That’s when you start to wander in to the near occasion of sin.

Colleen Hammond: Exactly. And so, there is normal response that god had given a man and a women, a husband and a wife to ensure procreation I’m sure. But you know for the procreation, the education of children, for the unity and the enjoyment of couple as along as it maintains its proper place within the marriage. So, when I met the weather channel and they asked me to wear things, I’m like okay whatever you know. That our culture is imbued with this idea of sexuality that…

Chris Cash: You know I can remember Britney Spears on an interview many years ago saying something along the lines of, “I wear this stuff to stay cool. I don’t know why anybody thinks it’s kind of provocative.”

Colleen Hammond: So, there you go. And that’s why I bring the onus back to the dad. And we live in a culture; a very male fashion culture and the feminist have really led the way. Which is you know when you look at the whole feminist group and it’s very interesting how, they say oh we as women, we look better than men. Well, what do they do? They inadvertently looked to – in spite everything that they do have conceded to male superiority by saying we can be just as good, instead of saying you know what that god given gift that I have make me better in certain areas. It’s okay that men are better in some things and women are better than others and you know there are some gender defined roles. My husband never figured out how to breast feed. I mean, so this is definitely a gender defined role. And women…

Chris Cash: Did he try?

Colleen Hammond: No, he didn’t even try. But there are certain things that we just can’t get around physiologically and when you try to raise the differences between male and female, you end up destroying the beauty of each one. The god given beauty of masculinity, the god given beauty of feminism. And so, when we try to erase the two and make them to equal, you destroy those unique characteristics of both. So, you know the feminist are saying oh, we’re just as good as a man. And then, they try to become like a man, instead of embracing the god given power of their own femininity. And not to be manipulated in a way like a black *** [11:16], you know that – that’s wrong as well. But to use a god given gift of strength in virtue, men have that physical strength, but women have strength when it comes to virtue. And if women don’t hold the bar up high, there are so many areas of 6th and 9th commandment issues. Then who will? You know G.K. Chesterton said, “You know if women didn’t care about manners, men certainly wouldn’t.” I mean, who sits around the kitchen table and says, all right, who has their napkin? Normally, the mom. Who wants to make sure that these things, things are important? It’s normally the mom’s role.

So, the women have the emotional fear that there – that they are queen of and they think – I mean, when children fall and scrape their knees. Who do they run to? If they break their arm and run to dad, dad goes wow look at that really weird angle you know. And mom, will embrace the child, I’m here *sweetie* [12:13]. The women teach children compassion, so why can’t we just embrace those god given roles, those higher callings that we have been given, because if we don’t do ‘em nobody will.

Chris Cash: All right, well, we’re going to take a short break here to hear from our sponsor. But when we come back, we’ll be speaking more with Colleen Hammond about Dressing with Dignity. This is the Catholic Spotlight.

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Chris Cash: And we’re back on the Catholic Spotlight with Colleen Hammond. I keep wanting to say Dr. Colleen. I think I’ve got Dr. Coleen Kelly Mast on my mind when I…

Colleen Hammond: Either that or Dr. Laura I don’t know. Because I am quite opinionated.

Chris Cash: Yes. But you know you were looking to go into medical school, so that – it maybe some of that rubbing off as well.

Colleen Hammond: There you go, there you go.

Chris Cash: So, tell me, do you have some practical advice to those of us who maybe either struggling as a man with being around people who don’t dress very modestly? Or – and then, secondly women and young ladies who are struggling with how should I dress when I go out around men?

Colleen Hammond: Its hard for me address what a man should do, and not being a man. You know all I can say is that as they…

Chris Cash: Separate books for a separate author huh?

Colleen Hammond: Yes. I think that’s a man’s role to talk to other men about, *** [14:52] to dad. I mean, dad’s know what go through a – mans mind. So, they have to really you know gently without being an augur, but gently to as the head of the family to make sure that their wife’s and daughters understand. Hey listen, I am man it’s different for us. I know what other men are thinking. Because I love you, because you’re my princess, you can’t wear that. Because you know if you dress in a certain way – and what girls don’t understand is that they want to fit in. I mean, that’s just part of all of us. We do want to have that individuality, but then again we want to belong to a group. We are a very social, sacramental people, so we do have things that we belong to and that’s totally understandable, and fine. But as a teenager, *** [15:37] I don’t want to be a teenager again. I’m quite *** [15:39] – how am I going to do that work, right? They don’t understand fully what we are going through. Like you quoted Britney Spears thing you know, I don’t see it any big deal. I’m just wearing. Oh, don’t worry that is – that’s the case maybe.

So, they have to challenge the father to step forward and say, princess I love you. I love you honey, no, no. Because when you dress in a certain manner, you attract Linking – Lincoln, the Brusk – the Bishop Bruskewitz, well that’s – say that three times *** [16:12], Bishop Bruskewitz had me come in and speak and lead the high school girls retreat. That was a full day retreat. And I went briefly at lunch and went to the young men who were in a different building having a retreat led by men. And I asked them to write something down to the girls in the class, and they all just wrote just little one liner. And I took ‘em back to the girls. And specifically, I said what do you guys think about the way they dress, and probably out of the 100 young men that were there; about 70 wrote these wonderful sentiments, please don’t dress immodestly. It’s very distracting to us. You know please have a little bit more respect and think about us and what we’re going through a little bit more. ‘Cause when you dress that way, its difficult to talk with you. And I had found that straight across the board even when I did an interview on MTV. One of the radio jockey’s on MTV even said that when he’s out in these functions, it’s difficult for him when these girls come up in immodest clothes. They say that – men will say that they are so distracted by what the women is wearing or not wearing, as the case maybe that they don’t hear a word that they are saying. So, these young men…

Chris Cash: Well, you know when I was in college, I can remember having conversations with women about how they felt degraded that men would speak to their breasts, but you know if you’re displacing your breasts…

Colleen Hammond: Why you got ‘em hanging out there if you don’t want somebody to look there.

Chris Cash: Some guys who don’t have a problem looking the women in the eyes you know.

Colleen Hammond: Exactly. And so, they’ll – this radio jockey of MTV was saying just that thing, but I find myself saying look at her eyes, look at her eyes, and I never hear a word she says. So, when we want to be respected for our minds, why do we feel we have to feel we have to flaunt our bodies. And then, on the flip side of that, women will say well I can wear whatever I want to wear, it’s his problem. So, I guess we are not our brother’s keeper. You know I mean we want to do what we want to do and the heck with anybody else. Well, she got a *** [18:15] attitude. Well…

Chris Cash: Well, maybe he has problem, but you’re causing it.

Colleen Hammond: Yes, and as the Catholic we realize the culpability of *** [18:15] if we become culpable for some else’s sin, so I mean that’s pretty serious as well. But these young men of Lincoln, Bruskewitz, 70 percent of ‘em basically spoke with the girl and said you know please uphold some sort of virtue. We’re looking to you to help us, but 30 percent didn’t like that. 30 percent saying oh, we like this, we like that, and the girls were really *** [18:45] basically. They said, oh, who wrote that and I said, no this anonymous. I told the boys not to sign it. And they said, ah, I think we know and they were bringing up names. I said no, no names, no names. So, they said oh, these are the crepes of our class. They went ah, ha. See what type person you attract when you dress immodestly?

Now, who would you rather attract to you? Who would we rather be our daughter to be attractive to men or young men with character or these boys who like the girls who run around in half dress. So, you have to remember as a young lady, we don’t understand this that you attract the type of person to you by who they perceive you to be, and if they perceive you as a young lady with virtue and character, you’re going to attract a young man whose virtues and who has a strong character. And it’s that what we all want for ourselves for our daughters. Its something to keep in mind, if you insist on respect, people will respect you.

Chris Cash: Now, do you have specific guidelines? And I’m sure you probably do in the book, but do you have some specific guidelines to help young women in learning to dress more modestly?

Colleen Hammond: Absolutely. And I think that the trap that I fell into in the beginning was to be – you know you try to dress down, because you think dressing down is holy. And I get quote after quote after quote in the book from Pope’s throughout the ages that say – you know especially from Pope of the XII, he addressed this because of the fact that we’ve really seen in past 100 years. There’s really been a deviation from how women avoid that. Where Pope of the XII was saying, “If you attract inordinate attention, to yourself by the way you dress either one way or the other, it shows a lack of humility.” So, what we are going to look at it that it’s okay to follow the fashion as long as they fall within a certain set of guidelines. And Pope after Pope, again and also within the last 50 to 100 years have said these modesty guidelines are not dictated by time. These are set in *** [20:55]. So, these are not things that I personally have come up with. These are the guidelines that’s been established by the Catholic Church.

Your neckline, nothing below two finger breadth, basically before – below the pit of the throat. That’s pretty easy. I mean, just make sure that shirt is buttoned up. All right, sleeve length, should go down to your elbow. Now, then again sometimes I know the folks just say that fashions made maybe such that you can’t find them, so then a couple of inches above the elbow is fine. And then, as far as skirts are concerned, it should be at least 2 inches below the knee. Of course, Padre Pio said 8 inches below the knee right that was his specific guidelines. But the church says nothing shorter than 2 inches below the knee, nothing tight, nothing clinging and nothing *** [21:44]. And if you keep those basic guideline and don’t try to be more Catholic to the church, but then again don’t try to flip the other side and make exceptions to the *** [21:53]. If you just follow those basic guidelines, there is a lot of real pretty skirts out there; there is a lot of pretty blouses. Right now, so no more time to *** [22:01] wear *** [22:01], wear something underneath them, but or pick something else, because there are other options. But this is some really basic guidelines.

And if you go to my Website just ColleenHammond.com, I have a free download. Just click outfit guidelines, there is a free download of the church’s specific guidelines and how to go through step by step, things in your closet and determine if those things set the guidelines. And even give some tips on adjusting what you have to work within those guidelines, there is a *** [22:29] ditch in your whole wardrobe. Don’t just rip out your whole closet and only own wardrobe, unless you want to, when you have the money. But you can take what you have and work with it, and layering with them right now with the world that we can work within fashion, but still maintain the sense of dignity.

Chris Cash: You know I have heard in historical shows about how during times of great financial boom that we see lines of skirts and such go up, and that during depressions and recession we see clothing become much more modest. Have you seen any correlation with that in our latest recession?

Colleen Hammond: Somewhat. But I think fashion is more dictated by the designers wanting to sell. They have to make sure they make a profit every year. So, they can’t come out with the same length of skirt every year, because people will say oh, good, skirt lengths are still such and such you know it would just keep *** [23:31] headlines here. So, fashion I think really is a pendulum, it swings all the way one way. And quite frankly, you know 5, 6. 7 years ago, the fashions have become so skimpy, they didn’t have anything left to take off, they didn’t have anything left to take off. They had to swing back the other way. So, suddenly modest was in, but again now, we are seeing it switch the other way. The skirts are going shorter really you know. So, I think the economy dictating fashion is much more about designers wanting to selling something new, every single *** [24:05] year to win.

And you know think about men’s clothing, really how much have they changed? You know it’s the – because men don’t really care about that…

Chris Cash: I wear my jeans till they get a hole in ‘em.

Colleen Hammond: There you go. And then, your wife takes them away. Don’t wear those anymore. You know so the wife is more…

Chris Cash: No, my wife doesn’t have to rip the holy jeans out.

Colleen Hammond: That’s good. That’s…

Chris Cash: I get rid of them pretty readily.

Colleen Hammond: But they do say that that fashion shows the more direction in a culture. And we look at the more direction on culture is heading in right now, do we really want their advice on what we’re going to wear? So, you know that people will just say that that fashion is dictated by the culture and that’s not what we as Catholics, as Christians that are concerned about our fellowmen, that’s not how we should look at it. We should say you know what I can follow these fashions fad as long as I stick within a certain basic guidelines. And it’s something respectable, and that will dictate what we wear.

Chris Cash: So, do you see some hope and some *** [25:17] of hope in the modesty movement? Is there forward direction here or do you see the momentum going the other way like you said?

Colleen Hammond: I really just see a lot of momentum going in the proper direction, because when I first wrote this book, I believe there was no one out there doing anything. And you know many radio shows that I did, secular radio programs that around the world and the regular on the BBC said, they said you are the lone wolf crying, trying out. And so, I’ve seen over the past few years, yes, there’s just been a snow ball, because I think once the life gets clicked on from one person, they tell two friends, they tell two friends and so on and so on, so on. And you know I have seen a huge snow ball of that kind of proper direction. But I have also seen people who are trying to compromise what the church has set down for us. If we just did with the churches guidelines, it can form our teachings as long as we can form our conscience to the mind of the church. All I know that church has been trying to protect us from 2000 years, and as long as we can form our thinking in that direction and not start making exceptions to the rule. All of those guidelines were written 50 years ago or 60 years ago or whatever, as there were *** [26:33] go a bit. You know instead of making excuses, truth has no time limit. You know it’s not like saying well Christ said that 2000 years ago, that doesn’t apply anymore. Well, yes, it does. So, when – only that a church says something until she comes out and says something different, you still stick by those guidelines. So, really again, you know nothing too low cut, nothing tight, nothing clinging, nothing *** [26:58] sheer. It’s Dressing with Dignity, just being dignified and respectable, and remembering too that it’s a kind of life for everything. There is proper clothing that it’s dictated for a specific time and place. You wear wedding dress to wed, you wear night gowns to bed, you wear play clothes and work clothes to work and play, and you wear work clothing you know in the work place. There is a time and place for everything.

You know I get this question all the time again about for example, makeup. There is a time and a place for makeup. Saint Thomas Aquinas said, “You know what for this *** [27:34] and what that, its okay to wear makeup.” That was say Thomas Aquinas. So, our culture dictates at this point that certain things are expected from women. So, we’re getting back to our intent and fitting our clothing and addressing clothing choices for the time and place that we are in, but still following those guidelines. And I think its something that we can do.

You know nature – and my grandmother said this and I *** [28:01]. And, “In nature things that are valuable are difficult to find.” You know so you’ve got gold deep down in mind, you’ve got diamonds that take you know a long time to form that are down below the earth, pearls at the bottom of the ocean in an oyster. Those things that we consider valuable are *** [28:23]. Even in our – a holy mother church bailed those things that are holy and sacred. And *** [28:27] over the alter, *Ciborium bailed over Ciborium* [28:30], things that are holy and sacred are bailed. In the same way, our body, our modesty is a gem. Our bodies are holing it secret. Women – like G.K. Chesterton said, “Women have something that everyone in nature is involved of, to cooperate with god in creation.” A woman when she’s pregnant carries 2 souls within her body. Her own soul and the soul of her unborn child. God reaches down into the women and places the soul in her body, so she is participating with god in creation. What a holy sacred, beautiful thing. This is not something to flaunt around. You know this is not something you bear, but you in the proper context have been in the marital relationship. The marital embrace is something that’s holy and sacred. You know I think Scott Hahn was saying its – “You know it’s not good, *** [29:28] it’s good, you know that sexual relationship between husband and wife is holy and sacred. So, let’s keep those things in the proper context and keep *** [29:40].

Women have to recognize there’s an innate dignity involved and a privilege, *** [29:48] Hilda van said, “A privilege of being a women.” We were taken from Adam’s rib, taken out of his side. We were taken out of his head *** [29:54], when we were taken out of his foot to be *** [29:56]. We are there out of Adams side, side by side with our husbands going through life. And we have immense dignity; don’t relinquish our role as women. And not to ignore our true femininity, which is the strength, but to be there and fulfill, see the feminine side. Its like two eyes, your left eye sees one part of the world one way, the right eye overlaps. It sees the world from a different perspective. The same thing with masculinity is femininity. Like those two eyes looking out perceiving things a little bit different, but when they work together properly, the whole world is beautiful, its *** [30:36]. It takes on a whole life of its own. So, and you see that kind of a role. I get excited about this stuff and it’s so powerful that women have such a power that, we have been you know buying into the cultures conceptive of relinquishing on a role. And men are sitting back on fine, you want to take ahead, go ahead. You know I’m not going to go and do what they want to do. It’s such a temptation, such a temptation.

Chris Cash: Well, you know I like any author who is passionate about what they write about and what they speak about. So, definitely are in good company, Colleen and be passionate about what you have to say. Are there any final things that you want to share some passion about here?

Colleen Hammond: Well, you know I guess when I wrote Dressing with Dignity, it’s not something I really wanted to do, but its one of women’s two big issues. That god has given us certain weaknesses and one of them were fashion, and the other one is gossip. And that’s actually the next book that I’m working on right now is called the Gossip’s Guide. And you know there are things that we say and do that we are not – and that there is a lot of misunderstanding about gossip, *** [31:51] attraction. And there are times that we are obligated to step forward either defend ourselves or to defend others. And I’m learning a lot – and again, it was like when I writing Dressing with Dignity and I had to throw a lot of things out of my closet and fix my soul. I am finding the same thing now, researching and writing this book on gossip. There is a lot of things that I have to throw out of my mind and a lot of soul searching that I had to do myself.

So, that’s the next book, I really do ask for people to prayers, because it is – when was the last time you heard of *** [32:24] on [32:24]. You know it’s not something that people are talking about, it’s just like people weren’t talking about modesty 5 years ago when I just wrote *** [32:31]. So, I ask for people’s prayers that we’re heading to the final statements of that book. And to follow my Website and there’ll be more information. You just go to Colleenhammond.com, there is more information that I’ll be updating from there. And I just – I hope women learn to embrace their femininity and embrace their motherhood. That’s what the word *matrimony* [32:58] means duty of motherhood. That’s where the word comes from. That women can truly embrace the god given femininity, and realize that the strength that they are given to whom much is given, much is expected. And our blessed mother raised our dignity, blessed, blessed among women. And we pray to her, you know our Lady of Fatima, when she here said – asked us to pray the family rosary every night. And I don’t think god looked down and say, oops, how she came out of heaven down into Fatima. You know god allowed her to come and hear this message for a reason. And so, he supports what she says. And to – for us to turn to our Lady of Fatima who said back in 1917, “Fashions will be introduced that will offend Our Lord very much.” So, we turn to her and trust her as our mother.

Chris Cash: Well, thank you Colleen. We really appreciate you coming on and talking with us today, sharing with us your passion about modest. What percentage of your closet did you actually have to throw out?

Colleen Hammond: Almost all of it.

Chris Cash: Oh, god.

Colleen Hammond: Yes. At that point, I had a lot of sweat pants too, so you know and that’s maybe comfortable, but not very dignified. So, I tried to get a sense of class *** [34:14].

Chris Cash: There is a place for them, it’s just…

Colleen Hammond: Absolutely, but not 24/7. So, yes, I had to get rid of a lot of dress.

Chris Cash: All right. Well, all of you listeners of the Spotlight, please do it’s the beginning of the month again. So, that means its time to go on again to Podcast Alley, vote for our show as well as all the other Catholic shows out there. Come on over to catholicspotlight.com/vote. That it’s our brand new page, where we’re starting to collect links directly to the places where you can vote for other podcast. Help to promote all of us Catholic podcast, up to the top of the ranks where we knock some of those sex shows and Pagan shows and Left Wing political shows off those list, and replace them with some good wholesome catholic content you know.

We’re really passionate right now about trying to do that. And trying to help, reach out and evangelize the culture, because the higher we get on some of these lists, the more people are going to see us, download us, listen to us and be evangelized. And it is something that will really make a different. I am quite sure; you know even one person converted makes it worth the effort, right Colleen?

Colleen Hammond: Amen, exactly.

Chris Cash: Amen. So, head on over catholic company – catholicspotlight.com/vote, vote for as many catholic podcasts as you can. I think we got 3 posted right now as I am recording this, but I am hoping that some others will join in with the effort of promoting this, and getting many more up on to the lists, so that you can just go down the list and knock out a whole bunch, right real quick. And that is all I got for today. Thank you, once again Colleen and everybody out there, have a great day and God bless.

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